SGC
Hi friends
I apologize for not being able to meet you in Hyderabad, and from being absent the latest weeks/months from the forum. After finishing school, I have moved to the other end of Norway, been travelling a lot and have started to work. Luckily I found work in a company who work with space and space-related applications.
I look forward to get to know the results from Hyderabad, and the discussions further. I hope very much to have the opportunity and possibility to join the next conference next year.
I see that some have pressed the issue to create documentation to summarize the discussions/conclusions - an excellent approach!
Sincerely
Olav
Hi Guys,
good to see that our threads are still alive after the congress. Just trying to catch up on all the work I have missed!!
To the guys that couldn't make it, your earlier contributions still form the core of the work carried out so far (such as mission statement, 5 points of focus). We were reminded at the congress that the outcome of these projects depend more on what occurs before and after each congress.
I'd suggest that we carry on working on the technical threads, some of which are still neglected. Of course any new RELEVANT threads would be most welcome.
Out of the 5 points chosen pre-congress, only 3/4 were worked on during the congress, all of which could do with a bit more work. The lunar time frame could do with more discussion, although all of us at the congress agreed on 24 hr time frame as discussed in previous posts. In addition ISRU & planetary protection were added as important points to work on. All in all we had fun and worked together well, considering we had no team leader.
Maybe over this year, we could attempt to cover all the 8 points in the planetary society report (maybe!) plus the two we have added. Will put up the report and presentation from the sgc as soon as possible. We can discuss what people think once they've seen the presentation & report.
Later
Satinder
Just a few addition to Satinder’s comment concerning the SGC:
* I have the report and the presentation, do you have any ideas how can I upload it here?
* We also started to elaborate the report to the Planetary Society regarding those points we have discussed at the SGC.. it would be nice to work more on this paper during the upcoming months...
Also, I propose:
* let’s create our web-site
* let’s ask for a mailing list from the web-master of the SGAC website
* if we could organize a weekly online team meeting, I think we could work on this project more efficiently...
At the SGC we did the following: we split our team into sub-groups, who worked on one of the points we had to cover in our report. For example I cannot add many things for technical aspects, but would be glad to elaborate the chapter on planetary protection guidelines etc...
comments?
Timea
Timea, Thanks for putting up the files.
I agree that starting on the website and other long term goals is essential. Before making the website we could discuss what it should contain and the steps necessary in order to set up the website (I confess I'm completely clueless on this front). We could now start a separate thread for website discussions and use the separate threads already created: 'Project Timeline / Group Assignments / Scheduling' and 'Time to decide Long term project goal for this project' for discussion of long term goals as a whole.
Team members and any one else who wish to contribute opinions or info, can find their areas of interest or expertise within our current frame work and try and contribute as regularly as possible. This frame work itself is of course modified by those who do contribute. Weekly meetings could be productive, but not practical (in my opinion). Unless we choose to only discuss a specific part of the project every week, and people have done some work towards it.
Otherwise it could get messy and contain little substance. Also our discussions will not be visible to the rest of the Space Generation community.
Views on this from others would be great,what do people think?
I personally prefer the current forum set up, as I can work on aspects of the project, read any new posts, formulate a response or comment in my own time and then post when I feel I'm ready. Also it would be very difficult for me (and maybe others) to commit to a regular time on a weekly basis (at the present moment anyway). Maybe monthly? But thats me, if anyone can meet online regularly and do anything productive, then great..just make sure the rest of us are occasionally kept in the loop!
Cheers
Satinder
Do any of you know how to use Drupal? It is what all the SGAC and SGC sites are made with and is very easy once you know how to use it.
Let me know, I could help you get started with a site, something like www.spacegeneration.org/lunarwaystation
kevin
Hi!!
I agree with you Satinder.
Now lets decide one topic..may be Lunar Navigation System and work on it. Or we can split work among us and post the data in individual topic forums and fix up a date when most of us can meet online and make required changes.
I'll consolidate all the data on bi-monthly basis and make a document for each & put them under FILE SHARE.
Thus, we all can be updated with the latest changes.
Regarding website, its an excellent idea Timea :-). Lets gain some momentum and then it would be great to begin website designing in parallel.
Ashish,
Meeting online to discuss changes, after some work has been done is a good idea. Consolidated data could be posted, rather than uploaded under file share as you would end up with loads of files if your doing it bi monthly. I think that once sufficient progress has been made on technical threads through posts and online meetings, we will be able to update the report we started at the congress and upload the updated version of the whole report, so that way we can always see how the whole thing is shaping up.
It may work even better if we combine these two approaches, so that we have some files for separate topics that are updated monthly from the work done on the forums and meetings. Relevant parts of these separate documents are then integrated into the main report, which is updated when enough progress has been made.
I'd like to work on the lunar navigation system too, we could look at other navigation systems that we may have missed, and further work still needs to be done regarding the viability of using the systems that have been discussed so far, on lunar terrain. More work also needs to be done on the integrating of a 2-3 layer network that comprises short range, long range, back up systems and has both highland and lowland capability. We could split the above 3 areas between us and post any work done, then discuss. We can repeat this with any of the other topics.
As you mentioned we should also focus our attention on working on the website in parallel with other discussions/tasks, especially as the website is now being created.
Satinder
Hi Guys,
The web-page is on its way..nevertheless we should use the test page first to learn how to use the modules I currently installed (the project management module is still being discussed with Chris, who will help us to set up our team webpage under the spacenegeration.org domain).
So, can you do the following for me please?
Go to this page: http://marvin.elte.hu/lunarwaystation/drupal-5.3/?q=project/issues
(first you have to register, this will be a secured area for registered team members) and see if you can use this project management module. Try it. Create new issues, new pages, whatever you want. (If you can, I think you will have the proper rights for it. if not, alert me and I will enable it for you.)
We should find the best modules in Drupal, which can make our on-line collaboration easier and simpler. So, I'll check, but I think I can set up a calendar as well, so we can set-up dates for online meetings to discuss who has done what (if anyone wants to do anything.) Also, we can make calls for each topics to invite new people, who will want to work on specific topics. ? What do you think?
Timi
(I am moving to France in the next two weeks, so I will be very busy, but I try to set up pages for the main issues we want to cover in our report. And who has the latest version of that report? Me?)
Timea, this really should be uploaded on the sgac site at the www.spacegeneration.org/lunarwaystation since it is an sgac project.
make sure you talk to chris because things such as setting user levels might be different.
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
I'm already in contact with Chris concerning the website. But he needs more information from us, what modules we want to use, etc.. As long as this is not clear, he offered us a very basic site.. but I think he needs more information from us. (And I need more information about Drupal modules, that I hope I'll get sometime this week from a friend here ..maybe tomorrow?) I let all of you (including Chris as well) know if I have some progress...
I am moving to France next week(13th Nov), so I don't know how much time I can spend on this issue, but until then the bottom line of the webpage clearly states, this is an sgac project...that's all I can do for the moment, or I can take the website offline, if you want. But it would be nice if the group could see what facilities drupal can offer us and decide which modules to use and which not..
Timea
Hi Timea,
Tried to visit the link you put up, but was unable to register. Will try again later.
In order to choose the correct modules, we need more clarity on what we will do with the website.
If this project is not included for sgc this coming year, then online collaboration will be an important part of the website, otherwise this forum is good for online collaboration.
The calender is a great idea and would make online meeting dates much easier to co-ordinate. We could at some time in the future maybe also set a competition like some other sgc projects plan to. The webpage could advertise and explain the rules of the competition...those entering could create designs for parts or all of a lunar waystation. We could arrange it into separate competitions which focus on solving current/future design problems associated with navigation, communication, isru testbed, planetary protection etc. Simpler projects could be for younger age groups...making models/ posters etc.
What do you think?
..You have the most recent version of the report.
I will be out of the picture for about a month, as I have exams starting in a few weeks. Probably won't be able to do much until after 15th of dec..
Satinder
Hello there,
I hope you all are over your exams/etc.. I don't know exactly when the deadline for IAC abstracts is, but we should really make an effort to submit an abstract on this topic. We have worked on this issue and hopefully this will motivate us more to continue our work I think it would be worth to try to compile an abstract and submit it. It could even be part of our report, so would not be much work. Please share your thoughts concerning this.
Timea
Hi Guys,
I think the abstract could be based on the planetary society requirements and our initial outline, highlighting that the IAC presentation itself will focus on the benefits and needs of a 'planetary outpost testbed' and its integration with other lunar missions and projected lunar mission timelines, aswell as an update on where the project is heading and lessons that have been learned so far.
As Timea has mentioned it should'nt be too much work (the abstract!), as it will be based on work already done.
Satinder
Hello,
I have created a page to work on the abstract. You go here:
http://www.spacegeneration.org/lunarwaystation and follow the link there. As a start, I've copied our report. Please edit this page or add a new one, or add a comment. Please make a not when and what you have edit. (I think it would be better to start a new page and just simplify our report, since the abstract shouldn't be longer than a page. And also think, that it will not only be this abstract, but at the end we have to write the paper itself as well...and that will be more work. So before just submitting something - which hopefully gets accepted...or well, maybe not, who knows - so, think if you will have enough time to participate in the project. I hope all of us will do!!)
Timea
Hi Guys,
Just a quick note to all those that havent been in the loop recently,
Our abstract for the Lunar waystation has been accepted for IAC2008, Congratulations to every one involved.
So we have lots to do before the presentation at the IAC and the workshop at the SGC!! With regards to the report and the SGC, I think that if we keep our focus on the main technical threads (which still need lots of work) then we can cover a substantial amount of material that will be worthy of inclusion in the report and this will at the same time provide a good foundation for new members, and the upcoming workshop at the SGC. I will be out of the picture for another 2 weeks. I know this is also true for some other group members.
I suggest that every one takes interest in atleast 2 general topics from the technical threads, and hopefully within May we can bring our ideas and contributions together in the form of a 1st draft.
Any further ideas or comments are welcome.
Satinder
Dear All
Hi, I agree with Satinder, let start on the collection of the topic to be covered on the Paper. We should look at the two main issue
1. Technical Fesibility
2 SWOT analysis ( Strength, Weakness, Opportunity, Threat).
Ideas, Comments, Critics and input to make our paper are welcome...
Best of luck to all
Bipin,
SWOT Analysis:
Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats
From what I understand a SWOT analysis would be applicable to our project if used to analyse the attributes of the
way-station, beneficial and detrimental to the creation of permanent lunar and planetary outposts.
Is this what you meant? or were you referring to specific parts of the project (landing, navigation etc),
Either way SWOT analysis is a great idea and could be included within our study. We could start with a general analysis in terms of strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and threats specific to the way-station.
The outputs from the swot analysis would determine the Technical feasibility of the overall project and individual elements.
But more work needs to be done on the technical parts of the waystation before the SWOT or technical feasibilty can be discussed in any meaningful way.
Dear Spaceter
SWOT Analysis:Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities & Threats is for all the points we discuss. For ex lets us take Landing: strenght of site, weakenesses, what could be done:- opportunity, Threats whats if... Those points which has the maximum strenght, minimum weaknesses, great amount of opportunity and least amount of threats is our lunar landing sites....
So lets starts collecting the points... and anyalise it..
Cheers
Hi Bipin,
Ok, Good idea to start with the landing sites,
Maybe we can do a swot analyis of two or more potential landing sites, and move on from there. Was thinking of suggesting atleast two mission design's for landing sites anyhow:
one for the southern pole and one for a maria region, where lava tubes are present. will continue this on the landing site thread.
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